Wednesday, November 28, 2012

No Rest for The Wicked.



Evil
1. Having qualities tending to injury and mischief; having a nature or properties which tend to badness; mischievous
2. Having or exhibiting bad moral qualities; morally corrupt; wicked; wrong; vicious; as, evil conduct, thoughts, heart, words
3. Producing or threatening sorrow, distress, injury, or calamity

 How do seekers of truth decide what is evil and what is merely wicked? Is it a function of moral relativism? Is evil the opposite of good, or is it the the absence of good?
I know the difference between right and wrong. And I didn't learn it from my parents.
Bonobo chimps have a grasp on altruism, compassion, and empathy.  And they come about these traits by instinct.
I won't hold it against the male chimps that they are notoriously pussy whipped,
I don't see evil as a moral relative. If you have no problem fucking with a person in a way that would be intolerable to you, then you have a problem.
There may be magnitudes of evil deeds, but wrong is wrong, and if you have to be told your actions are wrong,  then you need a thump on the schnout. 
Evil is more than doing wrong. It's the desire to do wrong. It's going out of your way to make someone miserable, when causing that misery is the only pay off to you.
To cause suffering for the sake of causing suffering.
It's destroying lives and hurting people for no reason other than the sheer joy of watching people's downfall.   
People are caught up in Hollywood's habit of enticing fans with bold strokes of dialogue that mean nothing.
Professor Quirrell from Harry Potter tells us that there is no good and evil, only power and those too weak to use it.
Quirrell?
That's the sound my cat makes hacking up a hair ball.
And what the fuck does that mean? I mean really. Does it mean that might makes right?
So the Hitlers and Stalin's of the world were neither good nor evil?
Their grasp certainly exceeded their reach when it came to snuffing out millions of lives.
Since I am stronger than an ant I am entitled to annihilate them with a magnifying glass?
For the record, I never burned ants with a magnifying glass.
The low carbon foot print of a magnifying glass isn't enough to offset the pointlessness and tedium of it all.
Give me a cup of gas and a bottle rocket to stick in the ground. I want omnipotent pyrotechnics, and instant gratification.
Sinner ants in the hands of an angry god.
That logic applied to humans remains valid?

 Would there be a national holocaust celebration each year if the axis powers had won the war?

 

What happened to the people that disappeared from Stalin's inner circle?
Communist's ten little Indian's.
That is one picture duplicated three times.
With an ever shrinking number of comrades in arms.

If an intoxicated driver kills my kid will you be dispassionate enough to give him probation?
While an intoxicated driver that kills your kid should be sentenced to death? 

Evil is relative. What you see as varying degrees of good and bad are really what is good and bad concerning what effects your life. 

My homicidal maniac is merely a nuisance to you. And should not be labeled as evil. Because you don't have to sit across from her at Thanksgiving dinner.
But living with my homicidal maniac may lead you to rethink your way of thinking.
At least long enough to get the bitch committed to the asylum for the criminally insane. 
Although that would negate the evil part.
Insanity isn't evil.
For they know not what they did as they took a child (maybe yours) and drowned it in a bath tub.




49 comments:

Bess said...

Good points well said. Thanks for this post.

q1605 said...

Hello Bess. Evidently there are still a lot of people more worried about labels than the person who has worked over time to earn them.

Bess said...

I like what you said about relativity playing into the mix.

q1605 said...

Yeah. People that are afforded the luxury of not labeling someone as evil have never encountered an evil person.

Bess said...

When dad was dying, my sis tried to have a come to Jesus talk with him because she was so inclined. His comment to her, which was hilarious if one didn't consider that he was afraid to die, was, "If heaven won't have me, I'll just shovel coal in hell then." He always pretended to believe in god when he was trying to impress someone, but I think it freaked him after sis told him she thought he should do something Christian-like, like repent because of all the evil crap. He was such an ass-kisser for about a week after that, until he realized that hellfire hadn't swallowed him up yet, so he got cocky. I'm not a Christian by any means, but dad had no concept of evil, and he could do such bad things. He was one of those guys who was always telling people what a good guy he was, and he really couldn't tell what good was either, unless someone he admired told him their definition.

q1605 said...

Sounds kind of like my mother. She'll be selling that shit to God on judgment day.
How was I supposed to know that ruining the marriages of my friends and family was wrong. And driving people to an early grave.
Things that if turned back on her would have caused her head to blow like a 50 amp fuse.
How was I to know?
And then I hope he drop kicks her to hell with his steel toed clown shoes.

Bess said...

Nice visual with the clown shoes!

Anonymous said...

hahaha, let's see if they live through the dinner first. A diner with her reminds me of one of the Silence of the Lambs movies where he's cutting up the guy's brain while he's sitting at the dinner table chatting. Yuck!
I'm tired of being dissected at Thanksgiving dinners, lol.

Sis

Anonymous said...

"How was I supposed to know that ruining the marriages of my friends and family was wrong. And driving people to an early grave".

I still haven't figured out where she got the idea that people are supposed to put up with her shit? Seriously, is it written in some family bible somewhere, "thou shallst put up with thine shit". And not even talking about how she wouldn't even tolerate someone rolling their eyes or going "now now" as she destroys people.

Sis

q1605 said...

Yeah. Goddamn the eye roller to hell while I/her fuck somebodies husband in the back.
The only person I saw that could shut her up was granny.
But just barely.

Jonsi said...

I think one of the most confusing things about Evil is that it doesn't usually look the part...of...itself. We live next to Evil. We're raised by Evil. We sleep with Evil. Yet at the same time, we're taught to believe that Evil has green skin, a hooked nose, and warts.

I've seen the face of Evil a couple times in my life. It drips with charm and lies to my face.

Jonsi said...

Gotta hand it to Mel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1qVJ8bTwuw

q1605 said...

Yup. A couple of posts back I mentioned I contributed to a relationship advice site. A guy/girl would have their spouse take vacations with a member of the opposite sex. Do about every thing but have him/her sleeping on the couch while they effed in the back. I would say man! your spouse is cheating on you. The mods would pull my advice and I would private message them and say WHAT? Like they're NOT?
I would get something like this:
Of course they are but we can't just tell them that!
Well why not?
You just can't.
Then what's the point?
Being the smart ass that I am, if it was a guy I would start writing things like just be sure and don't kiss her after he drops her off from a date. Or sleep on the couch if there is a big wet spot on the bed.
Those fuckers were so stupid they wouldn't pull my answer.
This is not a one to one comparison but you get my drift.

Gladys said...

Jonsi that clip was hilarious. Long Live Mel!

Q - it's true - everyone who hasn't been fucked in the ass by evil wants to pretend it doesn't exist. I guess I'm happy for their rose-colored lives - but how about you believe the gabilliion stories about evil? I'm getting push-back from one of my sisters now about our childhood "oh, they weren't THAT bad". Huh - reeeally? Ostriches - if I don't look at it then it doesn't exist. (Yes, and then it comes around behind you, go ahead, close your eyes, better you than me)

I hate Disney movies but you know, he had the evil thing down. The beautiful queen, nobody would ever suspect was a phsychopathic killer. Once the mask slips, I guess it IS better to be in the dark.

Like the rest of you tho - I'd rather KNOW and not be believed. Knowledge is power. But that whole 'let's be nice and hold hands and all get along' attitude is so arrogant, actually. Would you dance with a tiger? Want to pet a wild badger? Hold a rattlesnake? If I tell you 'Dexter' or the equivelant is in the room, you gonna go hug him and give him a ride home? Just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean anything.

Gladys said...

PS - pushback from a sister WHO LIVED IT TOO. Didn't just hear about it, she was THERE. Hows THAT for denial.

q1605 said...

At least my sister has no illusions about our childhood. I get tired of reading the fifteen page discussions of not being willing to casually dismiss someone as evil.
Yeah cuz your narc was tacky more than evil.
Try knowing and remembering the night that nice old lady in the living room that every one is gushing over loaded a dude in his car and her and her BF parked his ass on the side of the road.
Sorry. I go in cycles. I can go for a long time and never mention it and then something sets me off. Like people saying that no one has the right to brand someone as evil.
I say take evil head on and you won't have a bit of problem with branding someone as evil.
I was talking to the misses last night. We were both talking about how not one single bit of good has ever come from my mother.
Every word. Every deed. Every bit of effort she ever put forth was the means to someone else's end.

q1605 said...

I've never seen space balls. If Bill Pull man is in it I might ought to check it out.

Anonymous said...

I think people in general want to believe the mask. It's easier, it feels safer than seeing what's underneath the mask. I remember what Jeffrey Daumer's neighbors said about him, "he was nice, the best neighbor, super quiet". How many times have we seen on the news how everyone is stunned that their "nice" neighbor or friend took a gun and killed everyone in their house. We had a deal here a year or two ago where the "nicest person" shot about 12 people in a hair salon in Seal Beach.

Sis

q1605 said...

Yeah sis. It's nimby.
As in not in my back yard. What's this world coming to is what you will hear from the pipe smoking banker reading of someone climbing a tower and stopping the clock of dozen's of passer byes.
Let a neighbors dog shit in his yard and the swat team will be called.

vicariousrising said...

This post is brilliant. And having me laugh out loud.

vicariousrising said...

Thou shalst put up with thine shit.

Can I make a tshirt of that?

q1605 said...

Vic. Ich frage meine Schwester, aber ich bin sicher, sie wird in Ordnung sein mit ihr wie lange Sie ihr einen König.

Anonymous said...

vicarious, we could come up with some great t-shirts from these blogs. I like this one, too:
"Goddamn the eye roller to hell."

Sis

q1605 said...

How about boy translator sure mangles English.

Anonymous said...

I was going to say (haha, as usual), that this talk about evil reminds me of the Capote film where he has believed everything that Perry has told him about the murders and looks on him as a sort of friend. At some point he's standing in the cell with Perry and Perry starts confessing to how he actually did do the murders. He kind of slips into this confession matter of factly like you'd say, gee it looks like rain outside. And slowly you see Capote's face change as the awareness of who he is talking to dawns on him, and that he is in the cell with him, and he has trusted him all this time. The dawning of the awareness of evil.

Sis

q1605 said...

Yeah. We were raised with it. But try to get the word out.
Oh no. No one is really evil.
The Ted Bundy's of the world are an illuminati/federal government fabrication to get us to keep paying our taxes and to scare people into submission.

Tundra Woman said...

I'm not sure raising awareness would help because it'd (evil) still be an abstraction and certainly NOT "PC." There's "predators" then there's "Predators." When you Predate on your own kids, your own family with the same impunity as you'd do any one else for no other reason than you CAN, for fun/entertainment or what ever, IMO you're evil. Period, the end.
I've never had a problem calling Psychobitch evil. She may have given birth, but that didn't make her a "mother." Kids were simply a means to an end for her, conveniently located objects for her to torture/manipulate as she chose as she cloaked herself in that label "Mother."
But she surely was an equal opportunity destroyer. And a consummate Predator. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing and played the consciences and decency of others like a virtuoso. It's either George Simon or Bob Hare (both excellent researchers in this area) who said, "They SEE, they just don't AGREE" with societal norms and values. They don't lack "insight" at ALL. They know exactly what makes others "tick" and use those qualities against their targets with incredible skill and precision.
You can't instill a Conscience where one doesn't exist, but you can call them what they are and stay the hell away from them least you end up on their dung heap with the rest of the well-intentioned after you've been used, abused and discarded once you've outlived your usefulness to them.
TW

q1605 said...

Yeah TW. The Barbarian has ruined the lives of so many people she knows what she is doing. Sometimes I wonder if it is instinct because she is too stupid to do it so well.
But to think she doesn't know lying to others about a person......
OK I haven't used this example in a while.
While she is in the hospital telling my ex with who I am reconciling to tell me that while she is there that it's OK for me to fuck other women at her house.
Like something good might come out of that?

Anonymous said...

You can't blame it on her being sick in the hospital because she pulled the same thing on me in 2002. We were leaving to go back home after a week visit to Texas and her parting words to my husband, who has always been jealous, was this, "we used to always go to bars together drinking and picking up men, I miss that". omg, I have never ever gone to a bar with her, never went drinking with her, never picked up guys with her. She probably hatched that up before we had even left to go on our trip.

Sis

Anonymous said...

p.s. She said that right in front of her second husband.

Sis

q1605 said...

And I never figured out what the hub bub was until you told me last year.

q1605 said...

I went to plenty of bars with her and DW and she is about as subtle as a chain saw. Shoving women in my lap etc.
She is a bigger cock blocker than 8 drunken frat boys all trying to maul your date at the same time.
Which shows how unable she is to differentiate her reality with others.
She doesn't under stand guys can't throw their legs up in the back seat of a car and start the midnight train to Georgia.
We have to have SOME! subtlety or we'll never get a chick.

Tundra Woman said...

They DESTROY our relationships with the opposite (or same, if one is so inclined) sex. Psychob managed to alienate a really good "potential" relationship with a great guy I was very interested in many years ago. Thank gawd I was NC when I married George-he never met her, but I did initiate NC while we were half-assed living together. I left the area to continue my education for a few years, so it was a long-distance relationship until I finished my education. Then I came back to The Tundra and we once again resumed living together for a few months before we got married. (He was always incredibly supportive of my educational aspirations and never once said/inferred, "What about ME?")
Nonetheless, her PI's followed him taking pictures etc. until he took his big old bear self and casually walked over to the PI and said something quietly and THAT PI never came back. He never mentioned any others, but I do know he didn't allow this stuff to ruffle him and would likely shield me from any of his own "encounters" as he knew how upsetting it was for me. No doubt there was a Background Investigation conducted on him.
He killed a guy some years back. Long story short, one punch and the guy was dead-you know how everyone wants to fight the biggest guy in the bar? And the guy was harassing his sister who was pleading for George to intervene and the guy invited George outside and that was it. I wasn't aware of this when we first kind of half-assed got to know one another. Two 14 yr. olds could have managed this better/with less awkwardness than we did-no booze, no drugs, my inexperience, his perennial bachelorhood, a gentleman, respectful, (TOO "Respectful" IMO!) as I'm not "from here" but he knew someone would tell me about it sooner or later. So he told me before we, ahh, well, spent the night together doing other stuff besides talking. And yes, his recounting of the event was exactly what other people told me-not that I asked.
He promptly enlisted in the Army after and was gone for a few years overseas in between playing football for the Army. And "fell in love" (lust) with a German prostitute. Then she invited him to her home for Sun. dinner, so he thought he was one "Special" john. Until he arrived for dinner and met her DH and little boy: "The thrill is gone" :) (HAHAHAAA!!)
So yeah, they get off on this destructive stuff. It's so much fun to blow up your Adult kid's life, especially our personal life, any hope for happiness, love, genuine bonding. And if your spouse/SO hasn't come from this kind of background and your "Mother" says stuff like this, who they gonna believe? After all, "Mothers" don't say/do stuff like this. Likely, not their's because they had REAL "Mothers. Who wouldn't dream of doing/saying such crap.
Our's absolutely WOULD and would RELISH our pain, the fall-out and dissolution of the relationship.
EVIL fuckers.
TW

Anonymous said...

So so true, who would expect that from someone's mother? Q, if I was a girl at a bar and saw someone's mother trying to push girls onto her son I'd run like the wind. It's beyond creepy in about twenty different ways.
My son is 38, I've never gone to a bar with him, never went drinking with him, would never cross those kind of boundaries.

Sis

Tundra Woman said...

I just saw your and Sis's Posts. WHY am I NOT surprised she did the same to you, Sis as she did to your brother?
Equal Opportunity Destroyers.
Mon Dieu, Sis, if you have a jealous/possessive spouse I bet this kind of comment would send him just...OMG.
That EVIL bitch. I hope that was your LAST "visit." It's tough enough to have an insecure partner (there's nothing YOU can do to reassure them) but having your "MOTHER" make a comment like this?
sigh. What a mess.
TW

upsi said...

That bit about when causing the misery is the only payoff gave me chills. Goddamn brilliant post and fantastic comments all - I have seen the face of evil and excusing it or denying it condones it and allows it.

It is our moral duty to See evil and name it and run from it and protect others from it. It is what makes us different from those who fall to the dark side: that we fight it. Where we can, how we can, whenever we can.

q1605 said...

I couldn't count the number of guys my mother fucked right in front of me in the same room as me, even if I had been old enough to count when she fucked'em.
But people will pontificate ad nauseum the semantics of why no one should be labeled as evil for...??
Ruining the reputation of the biggest free range slut south of the Texas Oklahoma border, and North of the Rio Grande?
Fuck that.
Evil's evil.
Evil is as evil does.
And my mother is evil.

Tundra Woman said...

Yk, it's not just their physical fucking, it's equally (and IMO more indicative of their moral and ethical fucking) of EVERYBODY and everything that brands them Evil.
I don't have to brandish a hot iron and give Psychob a certain "Brand" in her hide that makes her so: She did that herself.
My "task" is done. I'm calling her out as I have for years. The "shame" is her's alone.
I refuse to lie. I refuse to "pretty it up." I refuse to tell anything but the truth. I refuse to deny "Evil" exists in this world. Even if this IS my biological mother.
ESPECIALLY because it was.
TW

q1605 said...

If she had just fucked some guys and shooshed them out the door, they would have came and went. But she has to carry on so that every but got sucked into her black hole of a moral vacuum.
I've said it before but it bears repeating.
She would sashay around dropping just enough crumb's to keep my Dad's head in a paint shaker.
Just enough so that her friend's wouldn't leave their husbands alone with her for the time it took to pee.
Just keep every thing to a dull roar and love every minute of it.

Anonymous said...

TW, you're right on, I never laid eyes on her again, that was the last thing she ever said in front of me.


Sis

Tundra Woman said...

Mon Dieu, Sis.
I am so sorry. Gawd, I'm so sorry...you all never did a damn thing to "deserve" this.
We were kids, and they were Evil.
And I can't comprehend WHY it is so difficult to others to comprehend this...
I just don't get it, I just don't.
TW

q1605 said...

I can see why people don't want to believe there is evil. It's all I can do to believe the things about her that I know are true.
And the way she denies things now.
In my last conversation with her she denied involvement in the murder.
I sat there in my bed and listened to her and that guy talk about the best way to wash blood out of the linen they used to clean up with.

Tundra Woman said...

HOW do you explain this reality to someone else? I've given up, truly. In general, people look at you like you have two heads. They think all the "BAD People" are in jail or prison.
Uh, NO, they're not.
And then try to make it real as opposed to an abstraction and get them to comprehend this was your "Mother?"
No lo comprede.I get that. But please don't deny my reality. Just suspend judgement for a bit and try to understand what it's like when your "Parent" has gone beyond the local rag's "Police Blotter" to the National News if not the International News (if it's a slow news cycle.)
Any wonder why we don't talk about "it?" I don't know about you guys, but I felt like a specimen in a Petri dish. So I just shut up.
But that doesn't (and never did) negate the reality that Evil is alive and well and you know it because you were "raised" by it. IMO, it doesn't get any more personal than that.
TW

q1605 said...

You can't even talk about it to people you know. In a way I think the Oprah and Dr. Phil spectacle, instead making things easier to talk about, has made it harder. The instant the words "my mother" comes out of your mouth you see them want to roll their eyes.
No my mother didn't not validate me as an individual. She whacked a guy and drove my father to suicide.
Then you see them realize you are not joking.
Then they start looking at you like a piece of toxic waste. Like you are radioactive.

Tundra Woman said...

Yes. I know I'm gonna get flamed for saying this but I don't care for Oprah and have NO respect for that Dr. Phil guy who she "mentored." He lost his license to practice secondary to an inappropriate relationship with a minor and IMO, he's a Legend in his own mind, and Egotist of the "wurst" kind and is it any wonder "Mental Health Professionals" are looked upon with a fair degree of skepticism?
Yes, I know MANY people think Oprah is a phenomenal person. I agree her accomplishments in some areas are outstanding. However, wise is the woman (or man) who knows their limitations. Her acting in "The Color Purple" was superb, IMO. But hauling out a wheel barrel of fat representing the weight she lost simply reinforced a stereotype of what constitutes an "attractive" female. Women really struggle with body image issues as it is and certainly, all the aesthetic Plastic Surgeons have benefitted as a result.
Dr. Phil is IMO "Pop Psychology" at it's worst. Yep, all human experiences and challenges can be reduced to a very loud proclamation, "WHAT where you THINKING?" and resolved post-haste. I don't think he ever did get his License back, but I could be wrong. I do know he refused to comply with the recommendations of the licensing agency that jerked his license. "Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble" when you'd rather be RIGHT than accept you MAY be, ahh, wrong. Where's the humility?
In any event, I believe we can often MEAN well, but cause more damage and heartache, more unrealistic expectations and promote more "Fairy Tails" than getting down to the reality of human experience.
In all it's ugliness.
TW

Anonymous said...

Thanks, TW for your caring concern! You know I dont' care for Oprah or Dr. Phil either. When I see them on t.v. I go 'ugh' and change the channel quickly.

Sis

q1605 said...

That dude is a disgrace to psychologist's AND Texans.

Anonymous said...

ewwww, I forgot he was from Texas! Him and George Bush, two of my least fav people from Texas.

Sis

q1605 said...

We put out some real winners.
Where were you born?