Saturday, June 25, 2016

Afterlife


I tend to discount the words of people that say they know exactly what happens to us after death. I don't practice any formal sort of religion but, in that sense, I'm very comfortable with a lot of Buddhist philosophy mostly because it doesn't dwell on questions about the personality of the creator as so many religions do. Original sin to me was Man's self awareness and as soon as he became aware of himself he did so relative to all other things and it wasn't good enough for man to just be one of those things-he had to be the most important thing and that's why the personality of God was invented. So when people ask me if I'm an atheist I say no, I just don't think we can understand the nature of what's at the bottom of all existence. It doesn't hurt us to think about it, but when you become absolutely sure that you know, you're about as far away as you can possibly get.
I think there is a sort of supreme force/entity, that it is correct to feel that that should be honored, but I am unable to define exactly how that recognition should be structured
No one knows what lies ahead for us. I just hope we all are pleasantly surprised. I hope it's like waking up in your bed in the morning and thinking, " I remember this". I had the strangest dream. But that's all over and I am back home.

35 comments:

Judith said...

I'm not an atheist either, but I think most religions are super self-serving. And the idea that some God spoke to some chosen few and they then wrote books based on these "revelations'... can you imagine if someone tried to pull that nonsense today? They'd be locked up, not revered as a prophet or messiah.

Anyway, lots of these gods created by men remind me too much of my unforgiving, punishing mother.

Bess said...

Agreed!

q1605 said...

I think too many people lean upon him too hard and use him like a play ground bully. Believe the way I do or he's going to kick your ass.

q1605 said...

And if hell is like they say it is I think it's a bit harsh. Even for a sociopath. As much as I hate my mother I don't think her writhing in pain and agony for eternity would do any one any good.

q1605 said...

I was thinking that hating my mother is more real estate in my brain than I am willing to allocate to her these days. I think a more fitting tribute to a narcissist is to forget she ever lived. Just wipe the earth clean of any evidence that she ever lived and maybe by proxy my ex will follow her out.

Five Hundred Pound Peep said...

I believe there's heaven and hell but we have no idea what those are like except very little we are told. Some people have different beliefs about hell too. I figure we will know then. I know people struggle with the concept of hell too. It was a hard one for me. I have gotten weird thoughts like if eternity never changes won't it be boring? LOL I try not to dwell on that kind of stuff too much. Maybe time stops but then that's kind of boring living in suspended animation even on the puffy cloud with all your tears dried. I think about weird stuff I know it.

Judith said...

Agree. The less I think about my mother, the happier I feel and I'm sure it would eat her alive to know how indifferent I've become.

q1605 said...

That's the tack my sister takes and if it is at all possible she bore the brunt of my mother as much as I did. More even if you want to focus on scapegoating. I just got some of their extreme acting out events. She took way more of the daily grind.

q1605 said...

Peep I interpret the organized vision of hell as like being boiled in oil every second for eternity. I think the people who thought that up were just prehistoric ACON's. As bad as it got I really wouldn't wish that on anyone, even my mother. I have that small kernel of humanity she couldn't get to and if I really had a say about it and condemned her to that fate I don't think I would be any better than her. I say let the punishment fit the crime and be glad we don't have to be the entity that decides who gets what. As Paul Simon says the information is unavailable to the mortal man.

Joan S said...

I always felt fascinated with the idea of reincarnation. I can't help it, its interesting. Maybe just a story I told myself a kid when I realized the type of family I was born in. Like perhaps I'll get another chance?

Tundra Woman said...

I went to Catholic schools in the '50s/'60s so my take on organizational abuse in the name of religion is extremely negative. There was just no place safe growing up.
If there is a hell, it's right here.
TW

q1605 said...

TW yes I did a stint in a Catholic school but I got tired of all the kneeling and then standing up and kneeling and standing up. I finally complained to the priest and asked him to pick a position and just fuck me.

q1605 said...

LOL!

mulderfan said...

I've been a practicing Nichiren Buddhist for the last ten years, which may be one of the reasons I seem to be incapable of hate. The other reason is that I don't want to be anything like members of my NFOO.
BTW We are not the kind of Buddhists that believe you better not step on an ant because it might be your great grandpa!

q1605 said...

I'll have to google that M-fan. That type of Buddhism sounds like a patch you wear on you butt to quit smoking. I don't want to be anything like my mother cause I don't have the chutzpah. I am sure if I tried to do all the things she did I would end up in a rubber room.

q1605 said...

I like the concept of reincarnation because I damned sure got cheated on this life. I want one where I am richer more talented and with out that bitch breathing down my neck like anthrax.

Five Hundred Pound Peep said...

Yeah I can't lie, hell bugs me. I have told God this. I can see why. Scripture seems to make it clear some end up there, but even I have had the thought, why does someone have to suffer for eternity for 80 years here? I know Jesus was sent to save us from it, but the whole idea scares me. I have always struggled with hell being a Christian, I can't lie about that. :/

I actually was planning to do a personal bible study to go see for myself what is said about hell in there. I don't trust the preachers and churches for anything anymore. I am never returning to church again as a participating member in one. I'm out of the IFB and that's kind of a big personal deal to me, in terms of reassessing some things.

I agree it's good we aren't the ones making these decisions either.

I have been fascinated by reincarnation too..Joan. Once I prayed to God to give me another go around with another life and body. Some Christians would have told me I was wicked for such a prayer, but then why wouldn't I pray for it? I wanted another chance I guess. I feel like I missed out on too much too. I am housebound this week, just living online though I've had a writer's block lately so sorry not as many posts.

I went to Catholic school too TW, the nuns the whole bit. I am sick of the organizational abuse in churches. One reason I plan to never go to church again not one IFB nothing. It's all about kissing the butts of the power brokers. I'm still a Christian because I think Jesus is just as disgusted with the church system. When I saw Dobson crowing about Trump being "born again" I wanted to puke. Organized religion is an embarrassment. I'm out for good.

LOL we used to make jokes about the constant kneeling and standing up.

Five Hundred Pound Peep said...

Its hard to talk about hell. I don't want anyone to go there. Jesus came with the sole purpose to keep people out of there too and warned about it a lot.

Matthew 10:28, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Luke 12:5, "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which AFTER he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

I told someone else I wish hell didn't exist too.

q1605 said...

The problem is anything we are told has come through the words and perceptions of what amounts to a used car salesman. If a guy holds him self out to be gods word on earth I want it to be someone that doesn't set off the same BS alarms that my mother did. After a point.
It's all pops and whistles to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ72jpoq7N4

Bess said...

There's an old book I have called Many Mansions by Gina Cerminara. It's about reincarnation from Edgar Cayce's POV, and I think there are some newer printings out there. I tend to believe in reincarnation, and lots of the explanations offered in this book make some sense to me. Also like Cayce because he did not like to take money for what he did and allegedly only did so later in life after demand on his readings became so great. Well written, kinda verbose, but really good.

Five Hundred Pound Peep said...

Most preachers aren't worth a plum nickel. The TV ones are all snakes in the grass. There isn't one good one, even the less oily ones are bad, they just know how to act more sincere. I think I have had only one sincere one in my entire life but even he got taken in by Jack Hyles and pals. It's one reason I don't go to church anymore. When they harangue you for a tithe [something that by the way in the bible was a collection for the poor and NOT a commandment in the NT] you know they have to buy a new truck or a vacation is up. Elmer Gantry sums the lot of them up. There's more people done with the lot of them, in the age of the Internet I guess they get away with less.

q1605 said...

Bess.... my grandmother was a huge reader of Cayce. I didn't consume too much of his writing, but I got them second hand through my grandmother. She subscribed to FATE magazine and if you asked her questions she wouldn't waffle on her words. She was getting old enough at her time of death that a lot of the new members of her church would seek her out and write short articles about her life. In the 1920's she was the principles at The Wylie school and moved up to be the superintendent. Her dad was always at the next higher rung and I am sure there was some nepotism involved. He was a very strict Methodist and I don' think he would have promoted her if she wasn't competent. All that to get to this. I remember some newer church members asking her questions about her life and when they got to her husband and his early death in the 50's she told them of her confidence in seeing him after her death on another plane. To me that was a gutsy move to not sugar coat your thoughts when talking to people that by definition are diametrically opposed to your core beliefs. She was held in such high regard she would voice her thoughts, not by pandering to the audience, but she just said what she believed and if you didn't like it tough shit. How that women bore the spawn of Satan that is my mother defies logic.

q1605 said...

Peep I draw the line at speaking of tongues that is such a crock of shit I would probably throw my drink in anybodies face that thought I was stupid enough to believe.

mulderfan said...

OMG, Q! You and I are so going to hell together! I'll bring the buns if you bring the weenies!

q1605 said...

That statement is ripe with innuendo.

q1605 said...

Maybe we can share a cab down.

mulderfan said...

I'm flying down on my broom but I'd be happy to share a handle with you anytime!

Five Hundred Pound Peep said...

I don't believe in speaking in tongues. I avoid Pentecostal churches like the plague. I visited two in my day, I just got creeped out and thought they were faking at one. It is a crock.

Five Hundred Pound Peep said...

I was into Cayce pre-Christian days. I even used to go see psychics. Some of those are worse snake oil salesmen then the pastors.

Bess said...

Your grandma sounds like a very cool lady! I often wondered how the fuck my father came from people like my grandparents.

q1605 said...

I went to a physic once. One that my grandmother and sister suggested. She said she saw a frosty mug of beer in my future. Hell I still can't believe she let me pay her by check. If she were really clairvoyant she would have known I kiting it. was flat broke.

q1605 said...

You know where to find me mulder.

q1605 said...

Bess she was very cool. I would still like to dig up my mothers corpse and take cross sections of her brain. I guess with her gone my ex wife would do. They WERE two chicks that shared one brain.

mulderfan said...

You really think a crazy crippled up old Brit could climb Trump's wall, Q? You'll just have to wait and meet me in hell.

q1605 said...

If Trump gets elected i'll be up there applying for political asylum. Or what ever asylum I can get. The Barbarian is probably down there giving blow jobs in hell to get the worst possible candidate in office to finish me off.